My 800W Solar System With Pics


#41

[quote=“zulfiali86, post:40, topic:22022”]

can i use 205 watts panel ..i have already 4 panel 200watts but i want to add 205watts candian panel?can i use 2 different compnies panel on my ccc?some one telll me if iam using 200watts panel then i can not use 205watts panel on mppt cc even i can not use different compnies panel ...

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considering that you are using MPPT c/c then YES for sure u can use 205 watts panel with your 200 watts panel(s) . but it would b good if you provide the existing panel data as well as the model number of your mppt c/c so i can see the c/c is capable to hold such current and VoC as well or not .


#42

[quote=“nadeem5476, post:39, topic:22022”]

PWM (pulse width modulation)
MPPT (maximum power point tracking)

both are charge controllers , but the way of charging is different ,
MPPT are smarter , expensive (initial cost) and ability to work in a versatile way .

PWMs are old fashioned and loose hefty amount of solar panels power but mppt ones utilizes all the power of solar panels to put into battery bank.

if ur system is more than 400 watts you should go for mppt c/c .
mentioned above was a basic difference .

to understand the real and detailed difference u need to know about the solar panels data / output / and so many other things first .

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Great.
Thanx

#43

no problem in mixing different panels until they do not exceed approx. 10% of rated voltage .


#44

[quote=“nadeem5476, post:41, topic:22022”]

considering that you are using MPPT c/c then YES for sure u can use 205 watts panel with your 200 watts panel(s) . but it would b good if you provide the existing panel data as well as the model number of your mppt c/c so i can see the c/c is capable to hold such current and VoC as well or not .

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Check here is my panel data info in pic

Model

			<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">Tracer-4210RN</span></p>			
	
			<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">Rated system voltage</span></p>			
		
			<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">12/24V auto work</span></p>			
	
			<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">Rated battery current</span></p>			
		
			<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">40A</span></p>			
	
			<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">Rated load current</span></p>			
		
			<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">20A</span></p>			
	
			<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">Max.battery voltage</span></p>			
		
			<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">32V</span></p>			
	
			<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">Max.PV open circuit voltage</span></p>			
		
			<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">100VDC</span></p>			
	
			<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">Max.PV input power</span></p>			
		
			<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">12V 500W</span><span style="font-family:'宋体';color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">,</span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;"> 24V 1000W</span></p>			
	
			<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">Self-consumption</span></p>			
		
			<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;"><10mA</span><span style="font-family:'宋体';color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">(</span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">24V</span><span style="font-family:'宋体';color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">)</span></p>			
	
			<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">Charge Circuit Voltage Drop</span></p>			
		
			<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">≤0.26V</span></p>			
	
			<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">Discharge Circuit Voltage Drop</span></p>			
		
			<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">≤0.15V</span></p>			
	
			<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">Communication</span></p>			
		
			<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">TTL232 / 8 pin RJ45</span></p>			
	
			<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">Temp.compensation</span></p>			
		
			<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">-5mV/</span><span style="font-family:'宋体';color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">℃</span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">/2V</span></p>			
	
			<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">Working temperature</span></p>			
		
			<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">-35</span><span style="font-family:'宋体';color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">℃~</span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">+55</span><span style="font-family:'宋体';color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">℃</span></p>			
	
			<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">Storage temperature range</span></p>			
		
			<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">-35</span><span style="font-family:'宋体';color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">℃~</span><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">+80</span><span style="font-family:'宋体';color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">℃</span></p>			
	
			<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">Humidity</span></p>			
		
			<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">10%-90% NC</span></p>			
	
			<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">Enclosure</span></p>			
		
			<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">IP30</span></p>			
	
			<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">Altitude</span></p>			
		
			<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">≤3000m</span></p>			
	
			<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">Dimension</span></p>			
		
			<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">242mm x 169mm x 91mm</span></p>			
	
			<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">Mounting holes</span></p>			
		
			<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">180mm x 160mm</span></p>			
	
			<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">Mounting hole size</span></p>			
		
			<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">Φ5</span></p>			
	
			<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">Terminal</span></p>			
		
			<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);">25mm</span><sup><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);">2</span></sup></span></p>			
	
			<p><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">Weight</span></p>			
		
			<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:9pt;">2.05kg</span></p>

#45

from same company and same series you can add from 190-210W panels..

if different comapny, just make sure that there voltage is within +1 -1 range.. ie.. if it is 36V.. you can add 35 or 37V panels.. the results would be almost as good as same match.


#46

Dear this is the data of your existing panel , please also provide the data or model number of the panel that you are going to attach with this .


#47

[quote=“tufail_74, post:27, topic:22022”]

well actually u will never get more than 60% of installed in summer and u will never use so much in winter so adding another 2000 will not create issue but will give u stable availability.

i have 2145 watts connected to TS-MPPT 45 MorningStar and has no issue at all. main thing your current should not go more than 35A. a good controller will clip current and control at max rating.

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dear The real DIFFERENCE is that you are using auto switch c/c which works on 12 / 24 / 36 / 48 volts inputs and the the person who is asking question is using 12 / 24 only system .

So for sure he canNOT go beyond 1040 watts .

i have tried this myself and as the wattage goes beyong 1040 watts input from panels the C/c gives error and the red light on MT5 is then on !! so it WILL BE a blunderif you are attaching the panels MUCH beyond the allowed limit of your c/c

if r4210 is allowed 1040 watts input and you attached 2000 watts with it (lets say) then in the morning it will work SUPER OK but as the sun shines at peak and the load is on too in the premises then the panel output will increase to around 1500 watts and then the c/c shunts off !!

for more info please click and read http://http://www.solarpanelstore.com/solar-power.large-charge-controllers.tristar.tristar-mppt-45.info.1.html


#48

[quote=“farhan_ds, post:45, topic:22022”]

from same company and same series you can add from 190-210W panels..

if different comapny, just make sure that there voltage is within +1 -1 range.. ie.. if it is 36V.. you can add 35 or 37V panels.. the results would be almost as good as same match.

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Tracer mppt 4210rn how much waats i can use on 24v? i have already 800watts..

[quote="nadeem5476, post:46, topic:22022"]

Dear this is the data of your existing panel , please also provide the data or model number of the panel that you are going to attach with this .

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i did not check data of new panel...i call nizam solar they have candain 205watts panels no data check


#49

dear nadeem, first thing for your info the auto switching is for battery voltages and they remain 24V all over the day so nothing wrong from there.

the CC are rated by current ratings and i mentioned with calculation in my posts the current that can be available for watts connected. please review my posts again and comment if anything wrong in calculation.

I also gave my own panel info and farhan has also endorsed it. if would request you to review your system and see the real reason for your error on CC.

Bottom line if you remain within 35A, whether 12V / 24V 36V/ 48V your are safe. Extra watts connected from this will be waste but until this is your power that can be used.


#50

[quote=“tufail_74, post:49, topic:22022”]

dear nadeem, first thing for your info the auto switching is for battery voltages and they remain 24V all over the day so nothing wrong from there.

the CC are rated by current ratings and i mentioned with calculation in my posts the current that can be available for watts connected. please review my posts again and comment if anything wrong in calculation.

I also gave my own panel info and farhan has also endorsed it. if would request you to review your system and see the real reason for your error on CC.

Bottom line if you remain within 35A, whether 12V / 24V 36V/ 48V your are safe. Extra watts connected from this will be waste but until this is your power that can be used.

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:)

if your c/c is designed for 1040 watts and you are supplying 2000 watts then simply it will turn off OR waste the excess amount of power , some c/c shuts off LIKE rn4210N and and the error light will light up . and some keep working like morning stars one .

i have SEEN this myself and thus using another MPPT . because the total power is 60 amps (on 36 volts pmax) and the R4210 only supports 40 amps or 1040 watts . so DOESNT matter who endorse it :) i have manual in front of me PLUS i have seen this myself and THATS y i bought another one and planning to got to 2080 watts with the help of the 2 MPPT c/c

the final word , IF you have a c/c which is made for 1200 watts and u r inputting 2000 watts and u r facing no problem then simply u r wasting another 800 watts of power in sunshine times and if it is OK and bearable NEAR you then GOOD LUCK :)

[quote="zulfiali86, post:48, topic:22022"]

Tracer mppt 4210rn how much waats i can use on 24v? i have already 800watts..

i did not check data of new panel...i call nizam solar they have candain 205watts panels no data check

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YES u can add 205 panel with your 800 watts .


#51

nadeem bhai dont be excited and give verdicts. I request again to see my real calculation and then reply with figure you get from your CC

professionals speak with data not emotions.


#52

Aaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnndddddddddddddd...... We have Another yousaf 65 in the making here ... :D

[quote="tufail_74, post:51, topic:22022"]

nadeem bhai dont be excited and give verdicts. I request again to see my real calculation and then reply with figure you get from your CC

professionals speak with data (And Experience) not emotions.

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^ Golden words indeed....:)


#53

[quote=“nadeem5476, post:17, topic:22022”]

if you really want to enjoy this system for years , replace the AC fans to DC fans , m using 27 DC fans in my home alhamdoLILLAH on solar , each consumes 30 watts and the RPMs are same as the normal AC fan .

your controller 4210 maximum supports 100vlts DC (open circuit) , u will get some more power if you connect all your panels to series OR parallel seies (keep in mind the total VoC should not go beyond 100 volts Dc) you will get about 35 watts more by this setup . its a nice idea to put your charge controller little away from the heat of UPS , because this controller doesnt have a builtin fan to make it cool so it is wise to hook this C/C in an airy environment .

Hope you didnt cut the MC4 connectors of the panels . or Did you :( ??

Also buy a MT5 meter for this controller and you will get the upto date readings from that including the charging current / batteries temp and state of charge SoC , and many more things , i m using mt5 with this charge controller and with others too .

m available to give good advice without any charge and bad intention at all :)

good luck brother .

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thanks for detailed reply.

i want to know can i use these dc fans normally (in wapda) to decrease bill?

i just heard that i can replace normal ceiling or pedestal fans with these solar fans to reduce electricity bill, but offcourse i would need to change the wiring.

Also, are you satisfied with the performance of these fans in terms of air and life cycle?

sorry for noob question... :P


#54

[quote=“zulfiali86, post:9, topic:22022”]

i have not meter to check amp..how i can check amp?

Ups Price ................26000

4 Panel Price...........72000

4 Batries 100ah Price..56000

Cantoler price..........25000

Stand for 4 panle price...2800

wire and other acc price....3000

Total System 184800

thx for sug.....i will remove cover....AC/DC wire different?iam using good qaulity ac wire

Thx...i will remove cover frm batries

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what is life for these dry batteries?

i mean when will you replace them with new ones?


#55

^ jab zarorat pare gi.. :s


#56

[quote=“askfriends, post:54, topic:22022”]

what is life for these dry batteries?

i mean when will you replace them with new ones?

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Bhai 4 years tak tu chalany chiye bhai batries ka kuch peta nai hota...


#57

solar pe i think 1.5year tak hi chalengi.


#58

Where to buy axpert VM II in Karachi from a reliable dealer? Any ideas