Latency/ Ping of Pakistan compared the World | Time to take Action

It is my request to all the ISP's in Pakistan to be united and who-ever can make better of what I post below should come ahead and start working to achieve it. PTCL staff should be more in it.

This post actually shows how Pakistan is behind other countries according to International Ping / Latency. Currently, In Pakistan, PTCL is the only ISP that pings the most low in Europe and USA. International gamers and Server owners like me do feel this difference. Even India who is even far from Europe and USA East Coast pings 140 in Europe and 210 in USA east coast. Pakistan who is more near, Pings 165 to Europe ( At ONU PTCL ) and 220 minimum to USA ( East Coast at ONU PTCL ). This is currently the lowest ping through any ISP.

By Europe I mean Germany and Netherlands which are the homes Internet and Servers there.

This means Indian people have better service and care for their customers and its time for us to act. We can make our network and routing better than them. We should contact International Routing backbones, take things into suggestions and see where our Fibre cables are getting routed through. Only then we can make it better. We should be making direct Fibre connections to Europe upto Germany at-least from where Fibre cables will automatically get routed to USA East Coast as its already near to that.

Its time to work. Suggest this to PTCL responsible staff and maybe we can make things better Internationally for Pakistan. We can easily play with players around the World.

UPDATE :

Even Indian Wireless Broadband USB devices give better ping than Pakistan Wired DSL Companies. PTCL pings the lowest in Pakistan Internationally while other companies are pretty far away. I'm talking about PTCL at Fibre because in that case only it pings about 160/170 which is almost Good. But never better than Indians.

1) Reliance Communication India Mumbai Gives 145 Ping to Europe with ease.

2) Pakistan or Lahore specifically according to Ping Distance would give about 50 ping to Mumbai.

Being near to Europe, this means Pakistan can ping 100 to Europe easily, explained on logic.

The thing is, our Routes are not setup very good by Engineers and they never look forward to make it better. Indians are efficient than us in this regard.

They pass our Routes through Middle East countries like Dubai, Saudi Arab which then lands to France to make it up to Europe. Why is there any need for us to go through Middle East or even France at a maximum ? It makes no logic because those countries are graded ZERO IN INTERNET INDUSTRIES.

If you see Web-Hosting, all the websites are mostly hosted in USA and 30% of the websites hosted at European Servers are either in Germany or Netherlands. Why don't we make direct connections to those countries like India has ? It would automatically reduce ping distances to USA because we then leave it to Europe to do it for us :)

Our Routing doesn't land on Logical Grounds. Pass this to as much responsible people as you can and maybe soon our Engineers get a wake up call and fix it up.

get a good game console

Good post asad.

big games are played on the streets here :)

i sympathize with you asad, i know crap pings are a huge problem.games such as COD just cant be played on servers where you are getting more than 150ms ping.... first of all our routing is the problem, our traffic to europe enters either from france or italy, and from there to any other place, i mean we are very near to egypt , turkey , africa, rest of asia but if i ping any of their addresses the route is indirect. Even though the submarine fiber optics which carry pakistan's net trafiic DO have landing points in the countries i mentioned...

I used to get near 60ms from dubai but now most of my friends including me get ping greater than 150ms EVEN though if i tracert those addresses the route is direct (some peoples' ping to UAE is still normal but its bad for most).. The only country left for me where i can get less than 150ms is saudi arab... :(

i think a guy pinging to europe sitting in karachi and one sitting in mumbai should get similar pings (or with minimal difference)........

if i tracert to a german address i get 165ms-170ms from frankfurt , my friend with nayatel used to get 150ms from german servers ( nuremberg server) .

Im in rawalpindi and my ping to karachi servers of ptcl is 40ms, so theoratically if there is a person with ONU (or direct fiber optic connection) in karachi he should get 165ms minus 40ms = 125ms from germany, but i dont think thats the case :P

currently ptcl has bigger problems, there are areas where even 1mb connections cant sync properly due to poor copper lines, so ive given up all hope for better routing.. :(

Ping on PTCL never been reliable one day its around 140ms next day its whooping 350ms on the same specific point.

Indian have got much better setup multiple ISPs

It's not just about games...using RDP/VNC with crappy ping is so painful.

Better ping also leads to a much better browsing experience.

I currently get 150 ping to Europe. Mostly UK based servers.

However, I believe it can be much lower if they just get a professional to work on it.

[quote=", post:, topic:"]

I currently get 150 ping to Europe.
[/quote]

Which ISP?

Absolutely true. I somedays get 160-170 ping to France or Netherlands, which is a blessing, but its mostly 200.

We should resolves our local pings first I guess. Pings to LDN, Wateen and Braintel gaming servers are horrible for most people. With MBL being around 100 for most, which is playable but not good.

I heard Europeans get around 10 or 20 pings to local servers.. quite enviable. :/

[quote=", post:, topic:"]

It’s not just about games…using RDP/VNC with crappy ping is so painful.

Better ping also leads to a much better browsing experience.

[/quote]

Absolutely true.

You guys are right.

I know some Indian People and I have contacts with them.

Even their Wireless Broadband USB devices give better ping than Pakistan Wired DSL Companies. PTCL pings the lowest in Pakistan Internationally while other companies are pretty far away. I'm talking about PTCL at Fibre because in that case only it pings about 160/170 which is almost Good. But never better than Indians.

1) Reliance Communication India Mumbai Gives 145 Ping to Europe with ease.

2) Pakistan or Lahore specifically according to Ping Distance would give about 50 ping to Mumbai.

Being near to Europe, this means Pakistan can ping 100 to Europe easily, explained on logic.

The thing is, our Routes are not setup very good by Engineers and they never look forward to make it better. Indians are efficient than us in this regard.

They pass our Routes through Middle East countries like Dubai, Saudi Arab which then lands to France to make it up to Europe. Why is there any need for us to go through Middle East or even France at a maximum ? It makes no logic because those countries are graded ZERO IN INTERNET INDUSTRIES.

If you see Web-Hosting, all the websites are mostly hosted in USA and 30% of the websites hosted at European Servers are either in Germany or Netherlands. Why don't we make direct connections to those countries like India has ? It would automatically reduce ping distances to USA because we then leave it to Europe to do it for us :)

Our Routing doesn't land on Logical Grounds. Pass this to as much responsible people as you can and maybe soon our Engineers get a wake up call and fix it up.

@asadmoeen

can you ask an indian friend of yours to provide a tracert of any german or UK ip address, that might clear a lot of things for us..

UK bbc.co.uk

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.138]

over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1

2 22 ms 22 ms 11 ms 203.99.169.17

3 31 ms 30 ms 31 ms 10.1.1.10

4 31 ms 53 ms 48 ms 203.99.170.145

5 31 ms 31 ms 30 ms rwp44.pie.net.pk [221.120.251.157]

6 30 ms 31 ms 31 ms static-khidr-ni01-sw.pie.net.pk [202.125.128.161

]

7 191 ms 191 ms 190 ms 213.242.115.5

8 189 ms 222 ms 190 ms ae-2-3.bar1.Marseille1.Level3.net [4.69.143.249]

9 201 ms 201 ms 203 ms ae-7-7.ebr1.Paris1.Level3.net [4.69.143.238]

10 208 ms 208 ms 206 ms ae-47-47.ebr1.London1.Level3.net [4.69.143.109]

11 159 ms 158 ms 160 ms ae-11-51.car1.London1.Level3.net [4.69.139.66]

12 169 ms 159 ms 159 ms 195.50.118.242

13 208 ms 206 ms 209 ms 212.58.238.129

14 203 ms 231 ms 209 ms virtual-vip.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.138]

Trace complete.

Washington, USA yahoo.com

Tracing route to yahoo.com [69.147.125.65]

over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1

2 11 ms 10 ms 10 ms 203.99.169.17

3 31 ms 30 ms 30 ms 10.1.1.10

4 30 ms 38 ms 30 ms 203.99.170.145

5 31 ms 31 ms 31 ms rwp44.pie.net.pk [221.120.251.1]

6 31 ms 30 ms 30 ms static-khidr-ni01-sw.pie.net.pk [202.125.128.161

]

7 188 ms 192 ms 197 ms 213.242.115.5

8 190 ms 189 ms 181 ms ae-3-4.bar2.Marseille1.Level3.net [4.69.143.253]

9 203 ms 207 ms 205 ms ae-15-15.ebr1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.143.24

6]

10 209 ms 202 ms 215 ms ae-61-61.csw1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.140.2]

11 207 ms 206 ms 207 ms ae-62-62.ebr2.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.140.17

]

12 296 ms 296 ms 295 ms ae-43-43.ebr2.Washington1.Level3.net [4.69.137.5

8]

13 295 ms 295 ms 296 ms ae-62-62.csw1.Washington1.Level3.net [4.69.134.1

46]

14 245 ms 245 ms 245 ms ae-11-60.car1.Washington1.Level3.net [4.69.149.3

]

15 253 ms 253 ms 252 ms YAHOO-INC.car1.Washington1.Level3.net [4.79.228.

2]

16 266 ms 248 ms 248 ms ae-1-d150.msr2.re1.yahoo.com [216.115.108.21]

17 248 ms 247 ms 249 ms te-7-2.bas-a1.re1.yahoo.com [66.196.112.207]

18 273 ms 269 ms 253 ms ir1.fp.vip.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.125.65]

Trace complete.

from Gujranwala, Pakistan. PTCL

All internet traffic of pakistan is routed through exchange in karachi. see pie.net.pk

They monitor all traffic in case of blocking some websites like they banned facebook.

This exchange adds 30+ ping time

Even pakistani websites are routed through this exchange. Our main problem is filtering and censoring

Lahore, Pakistan vu.edu.pk

Tracing route to vu.edu.pk [58.27.140.113]

over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1

2 11 ms 11 ms 10 ms 203.99.169.17

3 30 ms 31 ms 30 ms 10.1.1.10

4 30 ms 31 ms 30 ms 203.99.170.145

5 30 ms 31 ms 30 ms rwp44.pie.net.pk [221.120.251.6]

6 32 ms 31 ms 32 ms rwp44.pie.net.pk [221.120.251.9]

7 57 ms 56 ms 56 ms rwp44.pie.net.pk [221.120.254.17]

8 56 ms 55 ms 56 ms rwp44.pie.net.pk [221.120.252.10]

9 143 ms 143 ms 144 ms lhr63.pie.net.pk [202.125.147.14]

10 144 ms 144 ms 143 ms 58-27-181-141.wateen.net [58.27.181.141]

11 144 ms 144 ms 143 ms 58-27-140-113.wateen.net [58.27.140.113]

Trace complete.

Check above routing ... connection started from gujranwala then goes to server in Lahore -> rawalpindi -> lahore then server -> Gujranwala

You know if I remember correctly routing got messed up after the facebook ban episode. Firecruz told me that they messed up everything.

btw. aside from pings to Europe which are still not that bad I guess...why do we get 500ms pings to places like Singapore and Malaysia etc; they are closer to use geographically than western Europe.

In the Garena 2009 dota tournament the final was supposed to be between India vs Pakistan. At first a European host was selected and the game started, the Indians said they couldn't play because of the high lag, let me quote "unplayable". Then they decided to try a Pakistani server, they were lagging again. Then an Indian host was selected and the Pakistanis were lagging. Then the organizers announced that the games will be played with an Indian server, the Pakistani's forfeited the game at that point.

tl;dr Indians cant play on European servers even today which I know for a fact while Pakistani's can.

[quote=", post:, topic:"]

In the Garena 2009 dota tournament the final was supposed to be between India vs Pakistan. At first a European host was selected and the game started, the Indians said they couldn’t play because of the high lag, let me quote “unplayable”. Then they decided to try a Pakistani server, they were lagging again. Then an Indian host was selected and the Pakistanis were lagging. Then the organizers announced that the games will be played with an Indian server, the Pakistani’s forfeited the game at that point.

tl;dr Indians cant play on European servers even today which I know for a fact while Pakistani’s can.

[/quote]

there are many isps in india, some get good ping with europe some get bad pings with europe… thats the case

btw here is my tracert for bbc.net.uk

C:\Users\DELL>tracert bbc.net.uk

Tracing route to bbc.net.uk [212.58.244.71]

over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1

2 37 ms 145 ms 65 ms 119.156.52.1

3 157 ms 18 ms 18 ms 203.99.170.22

4 19 ms 20 ms 19 ms rwp44.pie.net.pk [221.120.253.1]

5 39 ms 39 ms 40 ms static-khi275-P01-pie.net.pk [221.120.254.14]

6 42 ms 40 ms 40 ms static-khidr-ni01-sw.pie.net.pk [202.125.128.161

]

7 197 ms 151 ms 153 ms 213.242.115.5

8 149 ms 149 ms 160 ms ae-2-3.bar1.Marseille1.Level3.net [4.69.143.249]

9 162 ms 160 ms 162 ms ae-7-7.ebr1.Paris1.Level3.net [4.69.143.238]

10 167 ms 168 ms 168 ms ae-45-45.ebr1.London1.Level3.net [4.69.143.101]

11 167 ms 166 ms 167 ms ae-11-51.car1.London1.Level3.net [4.69.139.66]

12 169 ms 169 ms 169 ms 195.50.118.242

13 168 ms 168 ms 169 ms 212.58.238.153

14 170 ms 168 ms 170 ms 212.58.239.62

15 167 ms 168 ms 170 ms 212.58.251.44

16 169 ms 169 ms 170 ms bbc-vip116.telhc.bbc.co.uk [212.58.244.71]

Trace complete.

I do have my own Servers in Germany, Netherlands, New York as well as my owned Managed Web-Hosting there so tracert won't be a problem for me. I will show you some tracerts directly to Indian clients.