Blogging in Urdu


#1

Is there a way to do blogging in Urdu for non-native

speakers ?. My English in not up to par and I would

like to be able to communicate in a language where

I feel comfortable expressing my thoughts & opinions.

Our universities and institutes are churning out so

many ComSci and graphic artists. Why haven't we

come up with one good solution yet ?. Even some-

thing that could quickly translate an English passage

into an Urdu script GIF file, would do. Some of our

private TV channnels are using the Iranian software

Paras Negar to make crawlers and graphics. Shame.

If Chinese and Japanese can bang out reams of web

stuff with their alphabets, why can't we do a proper

job of it. Our online Urdu newspapers are still using

GIF slides.

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Sheikh 'I Digress' Chilli


#2

^^ Where to start?

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Is there a way to do blogging in Urdu for non-native

speakers ?. My English in not up to par and I would

like to be able to communicate in a language where

I feel comfortable expressing my thoughts & opinions.

[/quote]

I am guessing you are writing from the point of view of an average Pakistani because you certainly have no difficulty communicating in English.

[quote=", post:, topic:"]

Our universities and institutes are churning out so

many ComSci and graphic artists. Why haven't we

come up with one good solution yet ?. Even some-

thing that could quickly translate an English passage

into an Urdu script GIF file, would do. Some of our

private TV channnels are using the Iranian software

Paras Negar to make crawlers and graphics. Shame.

If Chinese and Japanese can bang out reams of web

stuff with their alphabets, why can't we do a proper

job of it. Our online Urdu newspapers are still using

GIF slides.

.

.

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Sheikh 'I Digress' Chilli

[/quote]

First of all you don't need special software to type in Urdu. Its called Unicode and has been built into operating systems for a decade or more now.

The Urdu newspaper websites are run by ignorant people so they continue to use images instead of text. That is the only reason.

As I said the tech is widely available and lot of Pakistanis blog in Urdu. You can see two here:

http://www.pakistaniblogs.net/category/personal-blog/%DA%88%D9%81%D8%B1%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%A7%D9%86/posts

http://www.pakistaniblogs.net/category/personal-blog/yasir-imran-mirza/posts

Also I should like to point out that the BBC Urdu news website uses text as well.



Finally I believe there is at least one domestically produced Urdu word processor. But its naive to hope for more locally developed software. With rampant piracy and no corporate support its just not economically feasible.

In other countries like Sri Lanka they have a growing local IT industry despite high levels of piracy because Banks and other large businesses purchase software locally. Not so in Pakistan where large organizations prefer to buy software from abroad. Most of the software developers here work as code monkeys churning out code for foreigners.


#3

BTW just found this:

http://www.crulp.org/software/localization.htm

That is a Pakistani website.


#4

edit: post not meant for this thread, so i kamran1x1 has deleted it


#5

I would agree to Sheikh g, I always feel better when expressing my emotions in my own language, not

So english men tell me english tranlsation for:

بکل مارنا,گھگو گھوڑا and لوٹا

A suggestion for Sheikh Chilli: make and new thread on this topic, it needs to be discussed.


#6

edit: i kamran1x1 have deleted this post since its not needed here, which was actually meant for slaman taseer thread but was transffered here by sah.


#7

^ You seem to be getting very excited for no reason. Read the original post again. All the guy said is he would like to blog in Urdu since he is not comfortable with English. No one bashed the English language...


#8

[quote=", post:, topic:"]

^ You seem to be getting very excited for no reason. Read the original post again. All the guy said is he would like to blog in Urdu since he is not comfortable with English. No one bashed the English language…
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nopes i was not, my original posting was in “salman taseer” thread, in which was way out of place for shiekh brother started conversation about urdu and it carried from there on.

since sah now you have created new thread for urdu blogging, now i will fully support sheikh brothers efforts since now the topic got its own thread, and i agree with my sheikh brother that even we got urdu word processor software dime a dozen and jang is still stuck to had written gifs, is so obsolete and stupid, where one can’t even run search in urdu since all text in urdu is gif photo. yup if sheikh chilli brothers sees his readers are more comfortable in urdu to read his blogs then he has all the right to blog in urdu.

there is nothing wrong in talking in any language, but still reality is sources of knowledge are not evenly divided in languages one language may have tons of written knowlege while others limited.


#9

Here are numbers of Urdu Blog

The only problem why our most news papers and tv channel websites use image that they don't use Unicode Urdu fonts

For last two year i have used alot of Unicode Urdu Font and Nastaleeq style (Native Style of Urdu Font) is available in Unicode

The most Urdu bloggers now use unicode nastaleeq fonts YOU will only see the blog in that font until you download the font in your font folder of your Operating System


#10

I am going to hazard a guess that the reason why Urdu

script hasn't taken-off online, like it could have, is bec-

ause of Unicode. With all due respect, it sucks. It takes

special effort to get through a single paragraph of it. In

the link provided by Rokra, there is a GIF image from a

woman's digest. See how easily you can read it and that

script takes less space than the clumsy Unicode.

The Arabic script has so much potential, in terms of being

manipulated for art and calligraphy, yet we are stuck with

using the most illegible and unmanageable font, the Unicode.

Nastaleeq and others like it, are great fonts. Thanks for the

links rokra. These have been used in textbooks, magazines and

newspapers for decades. You can easily read it, even if it is

jammed-up together on a page. Is Nastaleeq that hard a font

to implement on the web that it's relegated to GIF images only ?.

When I experimented with Paras Negar, I tried employing this

font, but had problems incorporating it and there wasn't any

comparable software available for Urdu at the time that could

do the job that this tiny freeware Paras Negar could. If today,

I want to put-up a GIF image of Nastaleeq Urdu online, is there

any software available that could do this, with the least bit of

trouble ?.

For a Pakistani, I believe, there are some shared events and

emotions that can best be expressed fully, in his own native

tongue, which tend to lose their local flavor and intensity in

any other.

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Sheikh 'Lingua Francas' Chilli


#11

I think you can easily use Urdu in Windows. I use http://www.crulp.org/software/localization.htm's keyboard. Although you can also use the built-in one also. Just sets the hotkey, for me it's Ctrl+1 for Urdu and Ctrl+2 for english.

شیخ چلی

A question though where can I find the keyboard layout for Windows 7 Urdu Keyboard.

Also fluxbb doesn't have a font option ??


#12

^Crulp's urdu keyboard adds in to your language bar and it is really easy to switch between them, i've using it from few months.

Keyborad layout :

When using window 7 Control Panel>Clock, Language, and Region> a new window appears select "keyboards and languages" tab>change keyboards>General>in keyboards select urdu phonetic>properties. And this will take you to layout preview.

By the way setting the language bar to show in taskbar helps alot.

@Sheikh Chilli

Older versions of iNpage might be solution, as it became unicode based in 2009.


#13

@Ahmsun

That is precisely how my search into viable

Urdu writers ended yesterday. InPage 2000. Better than

ParsNegar and it's phonetic keyboard is pretty intuitive.

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#14

@Ahmsun Windows 7 inbuilt keyboard is little bit different from Crulp's keyboard. Language bar is already sitting in my taskbar.

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@sheikh_chilli Inpage2000 has been used since a long time. It was the only software before XP or now Windows 7 included a native support for Urdu. Previously I used it's default keyboard, but now Crulp's urdu phonetic is mostly used by me.

@All now we can use Urdu for content labled as NOFORN (read wikileaks if you don't know what it means)


#15

@Sheikh Chilli

!شیخ جی آپ چھا گےٗ انشا۶اللہ

@yousaf465

I've been using it from few months but i didn't notice it. I saw that now.

lols for noforn!


#16

The sad thing is, when I was searching for a Urdu

writer yesterday, I kept coming across the same ol'

softwares which I had used 10-15 years ago (Kaatib,

Raakim, ParesNegar, etc), even Inpage, as you say,

has been around for nearly 10 years.

I also read a lot of complaints from would-be Urdu

writers online that there is very little mobility of Urdu

fonts, across software platforms. Even in the same

software, you can't use two different fonts in the

same document.

That's a pathetic state of affairs. Not of Urdu, but

it's speakers. We suck. :)

They just concluded an "Urdu Conference" last week

in Karachi. People came from all across the globe to

whine about Urdu's state-of-affairs. I doubt anybody

paid attention to introducing new and user-friendly

means to get Urdu online.

Uni-code is not the way. I appreciate those who are

trying it out, but it's a dead-end street. If I don't want

to read it, imagine somebody with a vague curiosity

confronting those insects on-screen.

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Sheikh 'Revolution=Moving In A Circle' Chilli


#17

@sheikh_chilli I doubt that see 47fe46cbf2b003ba6f80bd49f4c7cede173fa65d9a0053a074aec3bd334e271b2g.jpg


#18

I don't know why you all keep going back to Inpage and old Urdu writers softwares i think its history now

with enabling Unicode (in other words Urdu) setting you can not only write Urdu in most softwares but use those softwares normally for urdu as you used them for English or other languages.

sheikh_chilli Unicode is the way,

Here you can read about how to enable Urdu in Windows

Enabling Urdu in Windows 7

Urdu Font Server

In this site User Manual tells you about setting Urdu in Windows, Mac and Linux

Several Urdu Phonetic and other Keyboards are available

From here you can learn to Make Your Own Windows keyboard

With Urdu enabled you can use Urdu in Most softwares like Ms Offices, in Most messengers, over the internet like posting here in urdu or even mailing in urdu

You can also write Urdu in Photoshop on Middle east version.

The following are some of the fonts i use. This is an image taken from the pdf which i made on MS Word.

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#19

OK, I have installed a number of Urdu fonts on

my PC (XP). When I open MS-Word and switch

font in the window to Nastaleeq (for example)

and type with my keyboard, I get invisible chars.

Nothing appears. I must be missing some steps

in-between. I am guessing I have to add language

support for Urdu in XP, using the Windows CD.

When I am done (inshallah), I am going to pen

down some clear, concise steps on how to get

your blog on, in Urdu, for beginners. I have d/l

so much irrelevant stuff, while trying to get some-

thing basic done.

Btw, waji, that's great what you have been able

to produce above and thanks for the links. The

library of Urdu fonts available on UrduWeb are

pretty impressive.

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Sheikh 'Mutalashi' Chilli


#20

I'll recommend to use Google transliteration to convert roman Urdu into native language