I'm working on a project about corruption in Pakistan and I have to find innovative solutions to corruption. I'll need all the help I can get.
rule of law, independent judiciary.
Support long march ..... and get rid of currupt Zardari
Pakistan is not corrupt, some pakistanis are corrupt. If somehow we can get rid of these corrupt pakistanis, that will be the best solution.
Why is Pakistan in such a terrible state? Have we all sold our conscience to evil forces and accepted corruption as part and parcel of our life? Is this then the vicious circle of corruption from which we have no deliverance? In a country where every other politician is charge-sheeted, where bribery is the code name for getting any work done through bureaucracy, common people seem to no longer bother about such routine issues.
If one reviews the data a little carefully, it is not difficult to note that the countries at the top of the list have one thing in common (irrespective of their demography). The least corrupt countries are economically freer, with a less intrusive government and much less regulations. Similarly, the countries that are the most corrupt also have something in common: They have a burgeoning government that endorses protectionist policies armed with tariffs, quotas and prohibitions and similar such evils.
To put it in very simple words, countries that have a free market policy are the least corrupt, whereas countries that are dependant on government are the most corrupt. This then is the simple truth about corruption, though my socialist friends will scoff at this idea. They have not only placed the government to the ugly status of demigod, but also look up to the government for solutions of all social evils. The government is not the solution for corruption, but it is definitely the precursor of corruption.
I will give an example to exemplify my argument. The Prohibition Act of the 1920s in America forbids liquor to enter America from other countries. The American government thought they could cure the drinking problem just by legislation of an act. The inevitable result was the emergence of a parallel black market and prominence of mafia gang lords like Al Capone.
The best example of how a market-driven economy weeds out corruption, compared to a government-dominated country, is the “Enron-UTI” saga. Enron, one of the wealthiest companies in the world, as well as its auditor (accounting giant Arthur Andersen), both went bankrupt as soon as the accounting scandal unfolded. The punishment for fraudulence was swift and lethal. In a market-driven economy, consumer confidence is the cornerstone of success, and once it is breached, it is an unpardonable offense. On the other hand, the Unit Trust of India (UTI), the largest government-run mutual fund in India, duped millions of investors out of their hard-earned money. But what did the government do in this case? It bailed out UTI for the second time by injecting fresh funds into the company. And where do these fresh funds come from? The government taxes people to raise the money it uses to bail out UTI. Isn’t this one of the most hideous forms of corruption?
The bureaucracy in India is actually a sophisticated name for kleptocracy. These thick-skinned people not only take bribes shamelessly, but have also started considering such payments as their rightful earnings. A small example in this perspective--It takes approximately three to four months to secure a simple passport from Calcutta (one of the largest metropolitan cities of India ), any only after paying a hefty bribe, (not less than $500)! Instead of this government monopoly, if we had competitive agencies issuing passports, it would have taken at most a week to get a passport without paying any bribes!
Adam Smith in his famous book The Wealth of Nations had postulated the primary role of the government as providing security to the citizens against internal and foreign aggressions. But the current spate of defense corruption raises doubt whether the government is capable of performing this basic function satisfactorily or not!!
The policemen, municipal authorities and political dadas (supposed to provide protection to common people) extort a huge sum of money from vendors, rickshaw pullers, taxi drivers, etc. every year. The misery of these free agents of trade can be solved by not viewing them as a nuisance, but including them in the town planning.
Granted, such outlaws exist. Is it not possible for the police to catch them? The political backup of the mafias often leaves the few honest cops without any choice. A symbiotic relationship seems to have developed between the mafia, the politicians and the cops. The politicians provide all kind of protections to the mafias to undertake their illegal activities, whereas the mafias provide the cash required to run a political campaign. The policemen are like hyenas who functions as a catalyst in the nexus between the politicians and the mafias.
Heard of the “trickle up approach”? The grants given by the World Bank and IMF are government-to-government transfers. The leakages in the system have transformed the economic principle of the “trickle down approach” to the “trickle up approach.” One famous economist aptly remarked about this: The aid given by the World Bank and the IMF passes from the poor people of the developed countries to the rich people of the underdeveloped countries!
Now if we accept that government is the main predecessor of corruption, there is a solution to the problem as well. Suppose there was no restriction on immigration. Any person can stay in any country he or she wishes. Rational people will prefer to stay in that country where the government is limited and efficient, taxes are lower, etc. Now suppose on the basis of these criteria, a lot of Indians move to other countries. The Indian government will suddenly find itself bankrupt, as there are no people left to pay taxes. This competition among the governments of different countries to attract people will not only help to weed out corruption, but will also foster a limited, efficient, stable government. If we can have competition among consumer durables, why can’t we have competition among governments? This might seem a very far-fetched idea, but it is not an impossible one.
Similar is the case for legalizing drugs and prostitution, which will not only bring an end to the unaccounted for, uncontrolled drug and women trafficking but will help to bring the problem under control.
Free society is of course not a perfect society. There will always be some murderers, rapists, and drug addicts in a free society. But the three pillars of liberty, property rights and free trade will not only help to curb corruption but also foster a sustainable and civil society.
[quote=", post:, topic:"]
don’t call politician coroupt,as we make them corupt, there is no mistake from there side, you know zardari is selected by the people of pakistan, so we are the responsible of coruption if zardari is doing any corruption,
and for long march it will not be easy to be with long march to isb for every people,people are trying to get 2 time meal for there children how can they come isb???
Key sectors affected by corruption in Pakistan:
Police and law enforcement
Judiciary and legal profession
Tax and customs
Health and education
in addition, Public Procurement seems to be a major concern across most sectors
Reforms in sectors rated to be amongst those most affected by corruption:
Police and law enforcement:
Corruption in the police and law enforcement is perceived to be pervasive - creating a culture of lawlessness and lack of credibility and trust in authorities. The police and law enforcement appointments are often politicized and full of conflict of interest. Criminals and rent-seeking and extortionist authorities are often the sole beneficiaries of the game.
Police reforms were instituted about two and a half years ago by President Musharraf but, according to certain expert voices, have been significantly watered down by the elected government, which still sees political patronage of police officers as important. However, a system of recruitment of better quality and standards is being implemented with improvements in areas of professional training, competence development and remuneration. A great deal remains to be done to implement full police reforms including the establishment of public safety commissions and an effective independent police complaints authority.
It is hoped that the reorganization outlined by the new Police Order of 2002 and the Police Complaints department will improve the functions of the police and provide relief to the citizens. Reportedly, one of the first steps taken in the reorganization has been the separation of the police force into various branches, divisions, bureaus and sections. It is intended to help improve the efficiency but in fact may lead to more corruption and less efficiency due to non-cooperation or lack of coordination. The Police Order of 2002 has also outlined a format for setting up district Public Safety Commissions (PSC). The functions of such commissions will inter alia include investigations of complaints on excesses and neglect against police officers and encourage greater police-public participation. The PSCs are to be set up within the Federal and Provincial Government and the District and Town Local Governments. There shall also be a National Public Safety Commission.
Further, the Order makes provisions for setting up of federal and provincial police complaints authorities for enquiring into serious complaints against the members of Federal Law Enforcement Agencies. Other measures provided for by the Order include the establishment of the Criminal Justice Coordination committee, to work on the improvement of the system as a whole and promote good practices, and of the National Police Management Board, to work on overall technical and human resource capacity building within the Police.
Judiciary and legal profession:
There is widespread lack of public confidence in the institutional legitimacy of the justice system. Access to justice and the rule of law are undermined by corruption and are under a threat. Alongside the corrupt judiciary is the legal profession with low ethics of lawyers and poor controls of the bodies (such as the Pakistan Bar Council) responsible for maintaining the high standards that should be required of it.
If you think that my stuff was ver boring or ver long then more concise:
Some more suggestions could be:
E-government concept should be started and land record should be made computerized honestly.
Check and Balance in every field should be introduced and technology should also be introduced in this regard.
Increase transparency in facilitate manner but also try to make the government processes faster and avoid making hurdles.
Create more policies to close the gender gap in public office holding.
Enforce existing anti-bribery legislation and bring Islamic laws in action.
Change the police stations culture and make the judiciary free.
Spend more on education rather spending so much on defense.
Keep the politics out of the thread...
[quote=", post:, topic:"]
Although Asad told us to keep politics out of the thread but indirectly you can also meant from this statement that don’t take politics in every institution either it is a college, university, office, barbour shop or it’s a private/government institute.
Do your work without any political pressure and never try to think that the ruler are our masters. They are servers (AWAM KAY HADIM) if we see their role in true manner.
corruption in Pakistan can be eliminated from pakistan by making all transactions and projects crystal clear , like in USA and UK you have to present the report of every penny you use for any project and there should be stronger instutions like NAB to monitor the transactions and projects .
last_tragic_moment wrote :[quote=", post:, topic:"]
rule of law is always here , judiciary never helped Pakistan , free Judiciary slogan is for purposes to make personal cases of many politicians risk free
To understand the corruption in Pakistan, you have to look at the root cause and its source. I had this same discussion with my grandfather who witnessed the partition first hand and he was off the opinion that corruption is ingrained into the Pakistani society. The way India and Pakistan separated was a main cause, since it caused massive number of people to quickly pack up their bags and leave their houses etc and move across the border to the other country. When the immigrants settled in the newly made Pakistan, it was essentially a free for all to grab as much property and leftover belongings. That whole process was the start of corruption in Pakistan as it led to a lot of underhanded activities to enable people to get their hands on as much as possible. India on the other hand being a bigger country wasn't as badly affected by the mass exodus and influx, and coped with the situation in a much better way especially considering it had some semblance of a government already in place.
This is the opinion of a very wise man who has spent his life in Pakistan, witnessing each and every event since the country's birth. I think it explains a lot of whats happening in Pakistan today and if anyone is to try to come up with a solution to the problem, he/she will have to go back to the point where it all began and do some serious research into the reasons behind it all!
Reason: Weak, malleable institutions.
Solution: Independent and strong judiciary that has the
ability to deliver speedy justice to every citizen.
People in the west are neither born more honest, nor
more talented than any of us. They have all the inclina-
tions and weaknesses of mortals anywhere else. Only
they are brought-up in a society of rules and laws, not
This movement for the restoration of judiciary, will prob-
bably be our last shot at being a viable nation. Otherwise
the common man will prefer a return to colonial rule, rather
than continue to be exploited by local rascals and scoundrels.
Sheikh 'Inqilaab! Indilaab!' Chilli
the government is corrupt and the people doing the long march are maybe even more corrupt... so i think the only solution to all this is one thing... that is "jazba" of the nation on a high.... but this dead nation cannot do that without a "war" ... so there you have it... a war is the solution but ofcourse it will leave the country destroyed... but the nation left will be "kundun" which means "pure gold" ... bhutto killed the jazba of the nation... teaching us how to fight for our rights and forget about your duties.... human beings are so beautiful and super pathetic at the same time... wonderful
m11 agrees with Mr. Chilli
Your Question: Corruption in Pakistan
My Answer: No solution!
Pakistan as a whole nation (from bottom to top) are corrupt. When I say "as a whole" then I mean majority of general public.
Facts: All countries have corruption. Elites of all countries in all times (history is full of it) are/were/will be corrupt.
In some nations (whether first world or poorest countries) general public has less corruption.
However, in some nations (unfortunately mostly poor third-world nations) majority of general public is corrupt, unfortunately, Pakistan is one of them. No matter how much we are patriotic, fact is fact.
Corruption of general public is slow growing process but once majority of people are corrupt then an endless cycle begins where each new generation is corrupted by training from parents/society while growing up.
You can kill corrupt elites (French Revolution), you can kill corrupt royals (Russian Revolution), you can put Islamic Shria Law (Suddan, Iranian Revolution and Al-Saud Coup), but it is almost impossible to cure corruption of general public.
No laws or courts can correct this because judges and law-makers come from the same nation. May be only wars and war-murders on larger scale like in World Wars can sweep whole generation and new generation get raised by less corrupt parents.
Moral of story: There is no way to cure corruption of Pakistani nation.
If you think I am wrong then sit for 5 minutes and list out things that are actually corruption but usually "acceptable" in Pakistani nation with given reason "everybody does it". If you ask me then I can write endless list of daily corruption that we all do but we do not consider it corruption at all.
Country = Area or Land
Nation = People
after achieving rule of law and independent judiciary, we should focus on paying high wages to civil servants, cut out taxes on basic needs and put heavy taxes on expensive needs. we are a poor nation, so we cannot afford luxuries like the rest of the world do untill we achieve prosperity.
[quote=", post:, topic:"]
Thank you. I hope that I haven’t offended anyone.